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  • [ytcid:UgxOKVyxeOb0kuYJYyt4AaABAg] the only reason why I know Chris Brown is for his abuse scandals…it would be naive to think that they didn’t know about it. I’m really disappointed cause most of the fandom consists of women! For someone who have studied feminism and for someone who has sung about independent women being amazing…idk it just feels wrong supporting a man like that. I know that they’re still humans and make mistakes, but this is beyond me…it goes against my principles ): so I’m probably out of this fandom
  • [ytcid:UgzrYm01zu6mbrkd6-l4AaABAg] Speaking as someone who wasn’t bothered by the boys’ presence at the show, I think people do have the right to express themselves. I understand that comments of criticism and hate end up getting mixed up, especially since the group’s haters take advantage of the situation to attack, without actually caring about it. And looking at the comments on the subject, I realize that a big part of the audience can’t separate these two things. So for the ARMYs who are attacking other ARMYs for expressing discomfort with this situation, remember that Namjoon is someone who values debate and will know very well how to separate genuine criticism from a hate comment. I actually think it’s even dangerous for BTS themselves if every criticism is interpreted as hate, after all, as human beings who are constantly growing, we need to question ourselves and question the people we care about. I’m even questioning myself right now about whether I should have cared more about this issue.
  • [ytcid:UgzAmWplLQHBpxexzmN4AaABAg] My issue is not with people being disappointed and upset at their attendance, where I see the line being crossed is when they demand public accountability and apologies. They are not the perpetrators of DV and they did "do" anything to us. What that choice means to them, and whether they feel they need to reflect or grow from it, is theirs to process. Accountability doesn't require turning that process into a public spectacle. I feel like some people are looking to them to heal their traumas, and that's not their role in this. Or it's just antis wanting for them to be humiliated.
  • [ytcid:Ugw2J446p-kpwxH8wVh4AaABAg] They did nothing wrong and people are stupid for being mad at this. Thats it thats all.
  • [ytcid:UgzVltpRXsAy5VKzlnh4AaABAg] I mostly see women enjoying their concert. So are these women guilty as well, huh? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_4uPHPI1FQA
  • [ytcid:UgwCXiaPuQQB_tve4rN4AaABAg] I have nothing against GP. My point is that when you are the biggest music act in the world right now, thousands of eyes are on you, and your behavior is constantly being judged according to the expectations and personalities of thousands of different people. You obviously cannot please everyone, and you shouldn’t have to. What matters in the long run is what these artists themselves have said and what their music has stood for. They have consistently spoken against violence, against imposed social structures, and in favor of preserving individual independence and values beyond gender. In every interview and at every award show, you always see them treating women with respect and using the best language and behavior toward them. They have always been proud that a large majority of their fandom is women, whether it was mentioned in interviews or reflected in their music when they addressed us directly. So these labels simply do not fit BTS. And when it comes to the idea that you cannot separate an artist’s work from their personality: when someone has committed something serious enough to enter the legal system and face a trial, then yes, that becomes a different matter, and artists are not exempt from that. We saw it with Kevin Spacey, and we saw it with Louis C.K. But do you no longer watch their movies because of that? Your problem is that you expect these guys to be social activists. You think that by boycotting this or that, they can somehow change the world. But their tool is their music. That is how they change their own world and the world around them. Ultimately, these issues come down to ethics, and ethics is an incredibly broad spectrum. Whenever they have taken a stand and held up a flag, we have defended them. So now, sit down and actually critique the artist. Don’t let them attending a concert become the entire basis of your judgment of their moral standards. You guys actually dehumanize BTS, and this whole situation is exactly about that. For example, if I watch a movie by Kim Ki-duk at home and share it on my Instagram story, no one is going to cancel me or tell me, “You’re defending a rapist.” No one is going to question my morals just because I watched one of his movies. And whether I know about the director’s background or not, it doesn’t suddenly make me a rape apologist. I can appreciate or engage with a piece of art without that automatically defining my entire moral character. But when it comes to BTS, apparently they are expected to be saints. A completely normal thing suddenly becomes a huge moral issue simply because they did it. And then you say, “They’re good people, but they’re human and they can make mistakes.” But look at the way you react to their “mistake.” You react as if they literally defended violence against women or did something fundamentally opposed to everything they have stood for throughout their careers. And this is the ironic part: you keep saying you’re “disappointed” in them. But disappointment means that you had certain expectations or assumptions about these people in the first place, and now you’ve realized that some of those assumptions were wrong. Do you guys actually realize the irony here? You say they are human and that they can make mistakes, but the moment they do something that doesn’t fit the image you had of them, you react as if they were never allowed to be human in the first place. And ARMY needs to remember that before reacting emotionally, they should think and write something with awareness. Of course, your reaction should be different from a GP’s. You know their music line by line. You know exactly what kind of people you are dealing with. You know what they have said, what they have stood for, and what they have consistently expressed through their music. So you shouldn’t give GPs or other fandoms ammunition to use against you, especially when it comes to the hate train, death wishes, black oceans, and everything else that can come from situations like this. Your response should be the most thoughtful and informed one. That’s my opinion.
  • [ytcid:Ugy0yC3nxZpVWk9iFhV4AaABAg] my position is that once again the fandom has been coopted by voices with bad intentions, and the real discourse misdirected. The disappointment is absolutely valid, however ARMY could have made a point by being strategic and smart. we could have really started a campaign to target the very real problem : the Western Music Industry keeps giving a platform to awful men. We could have started a good targeted cohesive campaign Bts would have seen the fandoms movement and they could have been given time to reflect and change future behaviour. I will never ever believe BTS deserve this harrassment. The accountability and responsibility will always be on the abuser
  • [ytcid:Ugwace_oXMOrMXioRot4AaABAg] They don’t need to apologise We need to stop giving global free promotion to that guy. He’s now manipulating this “scandal” to keep it going. WAKE UP and stop helping him If people are that outrage, CHANGE your local societies: Talk to your family, friends, neighbours, co-workers. Performative actions don’t help at all, if it did, CB wouldn’t be famous in the US; he wouldn’t have millions of followers, mostly women
  • [ytcid:UgxBdqCuf4QY2PE7kAZ4AaABAg] I watched HYBEBOY’s video and made a comment thanking him for the perspective from a Korea. Someone from the EU replied to my comment and stated it is the same there. It is very disappointing to know that cb has been white-washed and that all of his violence has been ignored. We will see how the English courts treat him in sentencing, though I don’t think he will get any prison time. My problem is not with BTS, it is more with our society (the USA) being “oh he is rich and popular so it doesn’t matter how horrible a human he is”. But of course I shouldn’t been surprised since a corpse has more body autonomy than a living breath woman in this country. Thank you for talking about it and giving your perspective. ❤
  • [ytcid:UgyHD4ZOpBmWp8-_zX94AaABAg] I just hope that somewhere in the distant future, thanks to such feedback from fans, artists and groups will be more attentive to the problems of artists like themselves. That is, they will refuse to work, disagree, and thus the public will change not only in Korea but also in the US. All these 50 million listeners are most likely millennials who turn a blind eye to violence against women and misogyny, thereby keeping CB alive. Otherwise, he would have been brought down to earth long ago. I hope life doesn't toss us around so much that we treat it as if it's meant to be.
  • [ytcid:UgwEZY_AKIKvxbgGfwJ4AaABAg] 차이나 자본이 묻은 그래미는 영원히 멀리하는 것이 이익
  • [ytcid:UgyNKWXKaFmvab94Iwd4AaABAg] 필요한게 뭐야, 뭐든 말해..원하는 상 다줄께...!! 제발 쇼에 나와서 노래 좀 불러달란 말이야..?! 방탄아..! 그래미인지 크래미인지 망하게 생겼어..?! ^^ㅋㅋㅋ
  • [ytcid:Ugy_9KKaFD4vHR340yt4AaABAg] 그레미는 영원히 사라져야..... 지금도 반성은 커녕, 또 다시 장난칠 생각부터 한다. 이젠 절대 안 속는다.